by gregm1988 Help with understanding Delay Poison One of my players has just put delay poison on the party and shortly after a PC has been hit by a poison and failed their save (because we forgot about the effect) So the poison only kicks in once the spell ends but: Of those, one cleric (our healer, no less) has a level of barbarian and didn't prepare any anti-poison spells. Neutralize poison is instant, and allows you a chance to remove poison with a caster level check. Next turn, you then load him full of poisoned arrows, wizard casts dispel magic, and the BBEG has a HUGE save to make. The subjects become temporarily immune to poison. How does the spell work? Delay poison does not cure any damage that poison may have already done. Potion of Delay Poison is a level 2 Potion from the Conjuration school.Potions in Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous generally work the same as Spells that are applied to the character themselves.. Potion of Delay Poison Information. All rights reserved. . You say that, but in the description, the first line is, "The subject becomes temporarily immune to poison. You'd also want a blowgun with multiple poisoned blowgun darts. They get poisoned. How would you know? Pathfinder: Kingmaker Wiki is a FANDOM Games Community. The rest of your turn doesn't happen yet. The subject becomes temporarily immune to poison. | Gods and Monsters SRD There's really two sets of rules regarding exposure to poison, simultaneous doses, and staggered doses. If the target is a creature, you must make a caster level check (1d20 + caster level) against the DC of each poison affecting the target. If bitten again, he would still only need a DC 14 check for that instance (with failure extending the duration of the posion and also upping the save to avoid damage that round to DC 20. Failed again. might disable it's ability to poison someone. Maybe I misunderstand, by non-lethal, you mean unconscious for a day, and after that, at 1 ability score in that attribute, with only 1 healing per day. In terms of requirements, a high dex character with high use magic device and high craft alchemy should do it. If he is hit again on the next turn, his save would reset to DC 13. That was a legitimately beneficial bonus against 10 DC 18 checks. Poisons can be delayed or cured with spells such as delay poison and neutralize poison. Conjuration is also another method. | 4 Color SRD (Astonishing Super Heroes) | PF2 SRD Effect Any ally within 30 feet becomes temporarily immune to poison. Delay Poison, Communal is a Conjuration Spell in Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous . Range: 10m Delay Poison, Communal is a spell in Pathfinder: Kingmaker. This was clearly noted in the FAQ about poisons: Scenario A: Valeros is hit by an arrow coated in greenblood oil. As far as using it offensively, maybe casting it on a viper
All delay poison does is, well, delay poison. Then the rules for stacking poison will apply. I was pretty sure it affected the initial saves too, but couldn't find definitive support in the rules. Delay Poison Conjuration (Healing) Level: Brd 2, Clr 2, Drd 2, Pal 2, Rgr 1 Components: V, S, DF Casting Time: 1 standard action Range: Touch Target: Creature touched Duration: 1 hour/level Saving Throw: Fortitude negates (harmless) Spell Resistance: Yes (harmless) 1d2 con damage. Most Pathfinder poisons are non-lethal. Scenario C: Valeros is hit by a pair of arrows coated in greenblood oil. | Monad Echo SRD . Even a low DC poison, you still fail on natural 1s. Subscribe to the Open Gaming Network and get everything ad-free! I suppose, a hypodermic needle would likely deal non-lethal damage, so it does make sense. a different strategy in mind. This stone grants you immunity to poison, as if wearing a periapt of proof against poison. A bit of effort, I suppose, but it would allow a single character to take down a pretty impressive character, provided they had the right equipment/build. Anyway, second part, how does delay poison interact with increased poison DCs for multiple doses? THIS GAME CONTAINS CONTENT YOU HAVE ASKED NOT TO SEE: The developers describe the content like this: This game contains references to fantasy drugs (potions), alcohol, sex and sexual acts (no direct visualisation or nudity), along with visual gore effects. ft . Failed. Since 3.5 I've been trying to come up with a way to use delay poison in some sneaky way. The Hypertext d20 SRD is an independent entity and is not affiliated with Paizo Inc. Open Game License Terms of Use Privacy Policy. Spider disappears. Flawed: This stone grants immunity to poison and a 4 penalty on saving throws against curses and diseases. A high dex caster wouldn't need the use magic device skill. The Pathfinder version omits the following line that is part of the D&D version: The creature is immune to any poison it is exposed to during the duration of the spell. Even if they make half their saves, you've poisoned them at least twice in the initial round. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. | Forge Engine SRD You have to make a save. : D. Well if we use real life definitions (which we shouldn't for the game! The increased DC would apply to the frequency checks made after determining that the target was affected by one or more doses. Delay poison is also a very long duration, being an entire hour at level 1. . CRB Dwarves have no particular resistance to it. Notice that the rogue talent "Deadly Cocktail" follows this exactly (when you use two of the same poison). It also contains textual descriptions and mentions of abuse, child abuse, sexual abuse, sexual assault, self-harm, suicide, cannibalism, and miscarriage. Success means that the poison is neutralized. Full movement switch or 5-foot-step switch. Delay Poison Tips & Notes????? He fails the DC 13 Fort save and takes 1 point of Con damage. | Open Fantasy SRD You'd need to be able to cast delay poison in a manner that they didn't suspect the spell, so they didn't suspect the subsequent poison. It only delays its effects until after the spell wears off. Most Pathfinder poisons are non-lethal. Delay Poison, Communal. Theoretically, the saves can be made simultaneously, which
No reason that several doses can't be administered in one drink. | Into The Unknown The easiest and most correct option is B. On the topic of poison, does alcohol qualify as a poison? All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. | 5th Edition SRD If you breathed in poison over ten rounds, make ten separate saves at the end of the spell. Even granting the chance to a roll a 1 on 10 checks, that's only likely to happen once, maybe twice, but that's still only a +4 DC increase rather than an automatic +18-28. Delay Poison, Communal is a level 3 Spell from the Conjuration school. Poison was DC18. Use Burnt Other Fumes as an example with say, 10 doses (which is only 1 minute of exposure) while under the effects of delay poison. Maybe you have
As an example, the king has delay poison cast on himself, he then proceeds to walk through a hallway with burnt othur fumes in it. The cure is "1 save". Yeah, I meant you don't know if they'll save the fort or not, so using a lower level spell that makes the PCs wait until we're out of harms way before taking their fort saves is often a good call, as they may just pass them anyway and you can save the more impressive poison removal spells. Alcohol is considered a drug, not a poison. Delay Poison. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). Other school categories include Abjuration Spells , Conjuration Spells , Illusion Spells , Divination Spells , Enchantment Spells , Evocation Spells , Transmutation Spells and Necromancy Spells. It says you are subject to all the effects, but only the effect once. Basically, we didn't go in with enough poison immunity for the entire day. Seems iffy, as character is presently immune to poison as per the delay poison spell. Though, it'd be interesting if you made one BIG save at the end of the poison: Consider using poison against a BBEG. He fails. For example, an assassin getting a group to drink some in their cups (or even having it openly labeled,) then subjecting them to poison over and over secretly. So it's a question of whether you want to fall unconscious during the battle, or a few hours later. If so, what happens? A cured creature suffers no additional effects from the poison, and any temporary effects are ended, but the spell does not reverse instantaneous effects, such as hit point damage, temporary ability damage, or effects that dont go away on their own. If the character fails its Fort Save, the poison remains inert in its body until the spell wears off, then it causes the round-1 damage and starts counting its duration. See Inferior Ioun Stones for details on cracked and flawed variant stones. Just treat the poisons as you would have if delay poison wasn't there. However, we consider it our duty to inform our players about them. This site may earn affiliate commissions from the links on this page. Player discretion is advised. Level alchemist 3, bard 3, cleric 3, druid 3, inquisitor 3, paladin 3, ranger 3, witch 3. Valve Corporation. In your example, once the delay poison wore off, the target would make all 5 Fortitude saves at DC 14. avr Oct 7, 2019, 06:05 pm Shop the Open Gaming Store! At the end of his turn, he fails a saving throw against the poison and takes 1 more point of Con damage. Price: 40,000 gp. Level ?? Maybe they'll just cast neutralize poison and wipe all the poisons before the spell wears off. Then he makes a save for the main course, the DC is at +2 for the failed appetizer. The biggest danger is if the ability score in question is also the one the PC uses to cast spells. He, thinking it to be beneficial, purposefully fails his save. A dose of poison can be very small--even a few drops. I was always under the impression it raised the DC for both initial effect and the ongoing save. It just says increase the DC +2. Then it wears off; half-dozen saving throws all at once. If that roll fails, you then roll after the onset according to frequency. Exactly as Tarantula said. And then retreat - maybe four steps - anyway, the result should be a super high DC poison that lasts forever. Any poison in its system or any poison to which it is exposed during the spell's duration does not affect the subject until the spell's duration has expired. | Five Torches Deep SRD New Pages Our party spent the entire day investigating ruins that happen to contain both poisonous traps and nasty spiders. My read is this -
He still has taken 1d2 con damage twice from the 2 failed saves. | d20HeroSRD Latest Pathfinder products in the Open Gaming Store. | True20 SRD Effect You detoxify any sort of venom in the creature or object touched. I would say even if you are under the effects of delay poison, you roll immediately when exposed per the onset rules. Some debate on how this applies to a non-poisoned character. Again, this scales with HD and Con score. Poison, Antitoxin, saving throw bonuses, etc. Like A Boss - A Book of Boss Encounters; Read Magic - 2nd . This even makes attempts to use the spell neutralize poison worthless, because attempting to purge the poison requires a caster level check against DC 36-56 now. 265 School conjuration ( healing ); Level adept 2, alchemist 2, bard 2, cleric 2, druid 2, hunter 1, inquisitor 2, investigator 2, mesmerist 2, occultist 2, oracle 2, paladin 2, ranger 1, shaman 2, skald 2, warpriest 2, witch 2 Casting Casting Time 1 standard action Components V, S, DF Effect Range touch See Also I think that delay poison does nothing to change the order or number of saves that must be made. If the target is a creature, you must make a caster level check (1d20 + caster level) against the DC of each poison affecting the target. For staggered doses (multiple hits from poisoned weapons, multiple rounds of standing in a single dose poison cloud, etc) you make a save each time you are exposed to the poison, and then again very frequency period. Communal Delay poison, on the other hand, is hours per level, but even that is divided up by each party member. But that's a house rule, there's no rules anywhere that'd support one way or the other. Pretty clear how this affects the already poisoned character. Neutralize Poison is a spell in Pathfinder: Kingmaker. He fails again, ongoing is now DC 18 and 8 rounds. ): You were subjected to Purple Worm Poison (DC 24, Freq: 1/rd for 6 rounds, 1d3 Str damage, 2 saves needed) four times. I was just wondering, be bretty gud if I can delay poison then smack enemies with stink and kill Showing 1 - 3 of 3 comments Oct 12, 2021 @ 8:47pm Why not add mindfog too? Price: 40,000 gp. Yes. If character failed the fort save, what happens? | Cepheus SRD Fortunately, Medium spider venom is cured after just one successful save, even though the fighter is battling three doses at once. Delay Poison Information. The Giant Toad (1d2 wis damage), in example, while not very dangerous on it's own, against a cleric or oracle with delay poison, it could actually do more damage than normal and more effectively, as the poison starts stacking on itself. He then heads back to town, and his delay poison wears off. ?? I'm still not sure how delay poison works; it's an interesting problem. Success here. Until there's some ruling somewhere else given, you can either A. treat poisons as being contracted simultaneously when delay poison ends or B. treat the poisons as they would have been originally been treated: separately unless they actually were consumed simultaneously. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. This cures all doses of the arsenic from his system. Its also why Duergar are often evil, as they are a race of sober dwarves, all being immune to poison. Delay poison could have quite a few humorous applications if combined with alcohol. New Pages | Recent Changes | Privacy Policy. So for example, a PC bitten and failing a save vs the spiders 3 times would be making a DC 18 check every round to avoid the damage. My take on it is that delay poison makes you immune to any new instance of being poisoned, and that at the end of the spell, only poisons in your system before you had delay poison cast resume harming you. The save should be at +8, not +10, since there are only 4 -additional- doses of poison :P, And thus was created the Pathfinder 64-oz Big Gulp :). Can Neutralize poison affect those under the effects of delay poison, as they presently are not poisoned? Neutralize Poison Source PRPG Core Rulebook pg. While withdrawn, attack while hidden with the blowgun, adding "unpoisoned" darts which barely add to damage (sneak attack, perhaps). Effect The subject becomes temporarily immune to poison. A cup with 5 doses of poison